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if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left. the dow hanging on to a gain of about 30 points. >> the situation with anti-virus software pioneer john mcafee is going from strange to surreal. he's now in custody. now reportedly has had two heart attacks. we're going to tell you the latest on this bizarre and evolving story. >>> also, the ceo of accounting giant recently met with president obama. he say miss other ceos in that meeting agreed the tax rates for the wealthy have to rise as part of any fiscal cliff deal. he joins us exclusively later on "the closing bell." stay tuned. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in
if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left....
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china. i respect samsung but apple still has cache. >> i think the bottom line from the stock perspective and getting away from the company a little bit -- because we all know all of the size of it and how much cash and all of that. just looking at the stock itself, this thing is up 8,000% the last ten years. don't think that anyone should be looking at it as having that opportunity or anything even remotely close to that going forward. so when tony says the story's changing, it is changing, but changing doesn't necessarily mean it's going somewhere negati negative. it's just going to be a different type of opportunity. >> well said as always, josh. but you also probably made the case for the capital gains sale excuse that a lot of people have been throwing out there. >> it's up 40% this year versus an s&p that's up closer to 10%. don't be shocked. everyone owns it. >> tony is right, ecosystem is worth a great deal of money. if you split up the iphone, i-mac, the iphone, it wouldn't be the s
china. i respect samsung but apple still has cache. >> i think the bottom line from the stock perspective and getting away from the company a little bit -- because we all know all of the size of it and how much cash and all of that. just looking at the stock itself, this thing is up 8,000% the last ten years. don't think that anyone should be looking at it as having that opportunity or anything even remotely close to that going forward. so when tony says the story's changing, it is...
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but how do you see the big picture in china? there's definitely a narrative that says high levels of capital spending lead to poor profitability and maybe that's what the stock markets had a sniff on over the last 18 months. where do you think we are in that story? >> well, no doubt it's driven by capital like all capital investments. and where are the investments going? they're going to china's massive infrastructure. don't forget china is still in the middle of a largest organization exercise in human history, building something like 221 new cities. so there's no did you tell that some of the buildings and roads or even shopping malls may in the short term appear empty. and then that fits into the kind of speculation there will be a huge asset or property bubble that's bound it on burst. but don't forgetbeginning, a lo buildings. and don't forget the speed of the urbanization process is going on in china. but as a national strategy also to balance the economy away from the capital kind of investment towards domestic consumptio
but how do you see the big picture in china? there's definitely a narrative that says high levels of capital spending lead to poor profitability and maybe that's what the stock markets had a sniff on over the last 18 months. where do you think we are in that story? >> well, no doubt it's driven by capital like all capital investments. and where are the investments going? they're going to china's massive infrastructure. don't forget china is still in the middle of a largest organization...
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china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best products in the world and it's inexpensive. >> that's a lot of people looking at the chart. >> look again, the people who own apple, they were the ones who owned it because it was going up. it reminds me very much in 1999, what do i do with my nortel, it's at 110. in the meantime, roth, the ceo gives a session, an off the record session, or a session where he bashed 15 people. and said you know what? we're going to miss the numbers really big. apple is not nortel, but it trades like those that do and people get into the rut of saying i got
china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best...
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of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has to play in peoria. >> it will play. >> compared to what you got in illinois now anything looks good. thanks. >> okay. >>> the executive chef tpz at jpmorgan the bank naming two chief officers to oversee things like anti-moneying. kayla tausche joins us. >> the person to watch everyone watching is looking at jez staly, he was chairman as of july largely viewed as a swank song role that rivals have taken note of. there were discussions over the ceo at legg mason, the baltimore asset manager. the talks fell apart and staly was the top of the short list for the board and recruiters after being serious talks for
of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has...